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Michael Schröder
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PostPosted: Thu 11:39, 28 Jun 2012 Back to top

Dear Dariusz,

mynext step should be the early elbow plane, because it may help me getting a closed stance with the woods. With a closed stance I loose contact with my upper rear arm and I can´t find my way over the elbow through the ball. I have no problems with the shorter clubs as you can see on vid 1. I hit the ball with iron 7 carry 160 yards from the turf, but I never get a woodshot according to that.

So I try to get on an other plane with the woods as I hope you can see on my first try with a 5 wood (vid 2). After the first 2 swings where I lost balance I think I got it a little bit.


Today the second club pro answered very angrily to my question about trigger compression while hitting balls from the matt. "What is it for?" he asked back and he couldn´t understand my answers. At least I said that it is the same thing the head-pro Garry is doing wunderfully - "So ask Garry what it is for!".


vid 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt3TDuLodUs&feature=youtu.be

vid 2 :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88elhfyz_Yg&feature=youtu.be


Getting faster!

Thanks


Michael


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PostPosted: Thu 11:56, 28 Jun 2012 Back to top

It is really incredible how fast you progress ! Your swing looks simply great and it can be seen that's very confident motion, especially with shorter clubs. Excellent work !

As regards woods -- forget EEP, this is AN EFFECT, not A GOAL. Concentrate on setup -- your coronal plane balance is not good with long woods. Stick your butt out more + more weght on rear foot heel + deeper backswing. Your EEP will come unseen Smile
Please refer to the Coronal Plane Balance article and photos.

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Michael Schröder
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PostPosted: Sun 6:34, 01 Jul 2012 Back to top

Dear Dariusz,

I am always wondering about a position by Hogan, seen on the SPC-Video, yust before Minute 2 ends. The expansion of the rear arm, something unbelievable, must be done active in my opinion and is only possible in combination with EEP. This is the only thing I think about this time and how to achieve it.

Looking at my philosophy, golf is more unconscious than automatic or, as Hogan answerd to the question what he thinks during the golfswing: "I think about everything!" - Only something unconscious can be automatic and only under special circumstances it can be thoughtfull as well- So Hogans answer is true but can easyly be misunderstood because the average opinion is, that only a conscious mind can think or have thoughts.

There must be more to it and there is more to it. Gilles Deleuze, a french philosopher, said that thinking can be "lightning fast" and time is nothing for a philosophical thought, even if time is as short as a golf swing.

For man it is enduring practice, even in theoretical diciplines, that leads us to this kind of thinking, sometimes: you can call it idea, "Begriff", concept.

Listening to the kind of music you like a ask myself if you like Gustav Mahler?



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Michael


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PostPosted: Sun 11:50, 01 Jul 2012 Back to top

I also do not believe that tour caliber golfers (or even scratch amateurs) use a 100% setup-dependent unconscious-friendly motions. But I cannot answer what was/is and where one can find this 1% of conscious active actions. Maybe it is what you think of Hogan's swing, maybe not. I am not guessing Smile

Mahler ? Yes, a good music for my ear. I am a heavy metal guy, that's why I like classic music. I am deadly serious now.

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PostPosted: Sun 14:30, 01 Jul 2012 Back to top

Dear Dariusz,
in search for the right words I found this:
In the so-called "logic of being" of 1832, Hegel expresses very clearly to the question of the relationship between immediacy and mediation in general and its relation to knowledge.

"Immediacy" is the word I am looking for, instead of automatism or unconsciousness.

I truely believe, that immediacy is not possible alone and that, in golf, the mediation can completely be done and the ideal is the "mediated immediacy" or, as we philosophers call it, a "real soul", one that has mastered the body and is the master. You can see the relationship between father and son as a immediat "mediated immediacy" since the beginning.
Theory leads us humans to this point. So I think in our religion as well as in golf is a definite question, a search for theory.

More understandable with better definitions?

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Michael


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PostPosted: Mon 9:40, 02 Jul 2012 Back to top

Michael,
Yes, it is.
There is something in what you say -- as I wrote yesterday on another forum -- when I setup correctly and trigger the motion the rest is just an (immediate) effect -- not backswing, transition, impact, etc -- just one effect.

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PostPosted: Mon 19:46, 02 Jul 2012 Back to top

Dear Dariusz,

I had a look through "Five Lessons" in search for a drawing explanining the EEP concept - I found nothing, but in "Power Golf" is a very good drawing for your theory, it is on page 72. All together the pages 70 to 72 are phenomenal! And on page 73 he comes into the same position as Phil Mickelson.

All together, drawings in "Power Golf" are better in my opinion. They are less "beautiful" but show.

I once thought I can give a translation into german, that whould be a goal, greater than an own theory everyone is running around with.

Mickelson said, that there is no release in his short game, up to pitching, can that be said about Hogan as well?

What is your opinion asks


Michael


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PostPosted: Mon 21:53, 02 Jul 2012 Back to top

Michael,

I must admit I am not a fan of PowerGolf (since it was pre-secret times) but it is hard not to agree with you concerning pages 70-72.
His impact position on p.73 is not quite as similar and much better IMO than Mickelson's -- although worse than in his post-secret times where the EEP phenomenon was the best visible.

I do not know what to say about Mickelson's short game comment. His standard release with longer clubs is an antithesis of the post-secret Hogan.

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PostPosted: Tue 5:21, 03 Jul 2012 Back to top

Dear Dariusz,

Mickelson wrote a thick and heavy book about short game (alone?). His adress for putting seems to me a little bit like Hogans adress position. For me it is interesting what for Mickelson is an antithesis of Hogan. Why and in what way, I have to check this.

My opinion is only, that there could have been better drawings for "Five Lessens". EEP is more visible on vids, easyly, but not on the drawings.



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PostPosted: Tue 8:52, 03 Jul 2012 Back to top

That's true, there are no good DTL drawings in 5L where the EEP is visible; moreover, there is no rear view drawings which I find even worse. In this context, PG is a better book.

Micklelson -- full swing, of course -- crossover release as a consequence of huge body stall and armsy swing. Mickelson and a few other excellent players (not with excellent motions !) are an antithesis of consistency and repeatability because of that. Of course there are some minor issues but this is the first major issue with his swing.

I am not an expert on short game at all.

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PostPosted: Thu 8:19, 05 Jul 2012 Back to top

Dear Dariusz,

so you think, Mickelson has the same problem tiger Woods has? I am shure you know the vid, where Gary Player is taking about the false elbow path tiger takes, compared to Hogan.

Am I right?

In training the lead heel

Michael


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PostPosted: Thu 15:08, 05 Jul 2012 Back to top

Yes, exactly the same problem as Woods with his long clubs. That's why they'll never own their swings.

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PostPosted: Sat 18:33, 14 Jul 2012 Back to top

Dear Dariusz,

bad weather is a good time for swing changes! So I tried your advice with the "butt out" and after some slices and fat shots I get familiar with it. I also keep myself more centered and this helps to keep my elbow during downswing closer to the body and the lead side is more activated with the knee.
Today I was very happy hitting iron 5 165 meter into the rain from the practice tee.

What is your opinion about a reverse pivot?

Thanks for the answer

Michael
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PostPosted: Sat 20:51, 14 Jul 2012 Back to top

Michael,
I apologize for laconic answers but I am outside home with a bad net connection till the end of July.
Reverse pivot is just a bad distribution of the overall weight shift (in general) often caused by upper body outracing the lower parts. The rear side is not properly "loaded" and it must end with lack of lead side proper action. Not possible when one swings fromthe ground up correctly.

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