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PostPosted: Thu 20:48, 06 Mar 2014 Back to top

Hello Dariusz,
I was at an indoor simulator range working on my swing when I discovered an easy way to get into the diagonal stance. I was intentionally hitting draws when I decided to open my hips and knees (with feet still closed and shoulders square-ish) and swang as if I was still hitting a draw and the ball went dead straight. I believe this is how Hogan may have discovered his cure for the hooks and refined it from there! Maybe? What do you think?
Idea Idea Idea Idea

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PostPosted: Thu 22:22, 06 Mar 2014 Back to top

Hi Sandor,

Definitely. Without the diagonal stance there is no post-secret swing. It is one of few crucial differences between pre- and post-secret swing. Besides, it is very probable that it all went through his head the way you described -- the more his waggle that I call (antithetic) prepares exactly to that by opening the body from the knees up to the waist area.

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PostPosted: Wed 13:02, 26 Mar 2014 Back to top

Hello Dariusz,
I watched a video presentation on Youtube with the following title:
( I'm not allowed to post links yet)

Does this golf swing concept explain Ben Hogan's secret

I found that his explanation of intentionally rolling the lead forearm (pronate) on the back swing (and conversely supinating the rear one) to be insightful. I also found that this helps to develop a smooth transition into the downswing. When practiced with the feeling of falling forward when weight is transferred to the rear leg (like a controlled fall) the head magically stays back.

Your thoughts?

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PostPosted: Wed 16:23, 26 Mar 2014 Back to top

Hi Sandor,

Here is the vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwRhqUc3UCc


The concept is surely interesting, however, it contains the necessity of implementing conscious thoughts. IMHO, not necessary at all since both lead forearm pronation as well as CoM shift in the pelvis area at the end of the backswing can easily happen automatically. The latter is BTW explained very clearily in the SPC concept.
As per the forearm rotation, the situation is a bit more complicated, yet it requires several factors to happen as e.g. proper grip, mid-body hands at setup and certain plane of takeaway and backswing. The idea of door hinge at the bottom and vertical lift in the second phase is well-thought and may be very helpful for those who cannot feel the cascade of events cone after the other happening. The idea of axes is also good, but too complicated for my taste -- better present the rear axis as a wall and the slanted lead side axis as the single axis of downswing rotation in both planes together: coronal and sagittal.
Tha author has a good medical intuition or knowledge, e.g. links the forearm rotation with certain wrist actions, which is true.


Reasumming -- nothing revolutionary, but seen much worse attempts to depict Hogan's action. Deserved a "yes" from my part.

Now, your turn, I wonder what value you found if it is no secret. My analyse is cold through the prism of kinetic, yours is certainly subjectively emotional, which can turn to be very helpful for our readers.


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PostPosted: Wed 16:58, 26 Mar 2014 Back to top

Thank you, Dariusz!

Consciously thinking about the rotation of the forearms with the proper bio-K grip seems to help me feel that I'm getting into the proper slot, almost like a trigger compression (but more of a thought to start the swing). I've tried this with the diagonal stance along with others and hit the ball in the direction of my lean forward. Of course, it feels more automatic from the diagonal stance. I just like to play around with different feels.

Yes, your SPC concept explains the shift well. I will review it again. The visual aid of the video of our topic helped me in getting a feel for what is happening.

So many have studied Hogan. It is very helpful to gain every piece for me. I still rate your study as the most insightful! I have entered many scratch golf tournaments this year and believe I can do well thanks to your help (and others).

The snow is almost gone here. Maybe another two weeks before I can play Smile

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PostPosted: Wed 17:15, 26 Mar 2014 Back to top

Sandor, everything EVERYTHING than helps you to be a better ballstriker is valuable. It is great that you have the nature of researcher, it will help you sooner than you think. Do not forget that my work is directed mainly to weekend hackers trying to fulfill Mr.Hogan's dream, as a scratch player you will not much more sublime thoughts (including conscious) that are much beyond my research capabilities.

Appreciate nice words, thank you.

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PostPosted: Wed 19:47, 26 Mar 2014 Back to top

You give me too much credit. Entering scratch events will improve my game just being around better players. I can shoot 85 as well as 71, although I was shooting closer to the latter in the Fall. I needed fine tuning to eliminate the "bad" holes and your research has helped immensely!

I also went over the SPC concept again and now I realize that there is no intentional lateral shift when done properly and the take away flows much easier when using trigger compression. My mind is my enemy at times Smile

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PostPosted: Wed 20:55, 26 Mar 2014 Back to top

The pleasure is mine, Sandor.
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