Sequential Motion

Posted: Mon 22:25, 18 Jul 2011

Sequential Motion....I am new to the site and really appreciate your information and where you are going on the quest to find a repeatable swing. I really think you are on to something in creating these action/reactions/X factors that will release and create a consistent chain reaction motion.
But to KISS for me, what do you feel is the exact sequential motion of the golf swing both in the back swing and in the forward swing.

Posted: Tue 0:12, 19 Jul 2011

Welcome to the Forum.

The sequentiality of the motion means that the swing motion is just a cascade of unconscious biophysical events that follows each other simply because there is no other (biophysical) option(s) left. The only way possible is sequentiality from the ground up since only our feet are connected to the ground and can benefit both from gravity as well as friction and shear forces.
During the backswing, the feel is that the inertia created by the trigger compression phase (study the SPC concept vid and articles) makes the rear side benefit from it from the ground up - i.e. the first event should consist of moving the body weight to the inside of the rear heel while, simultaneously, feeling how your rear feet "screws" into the ground and the resistance increases (thanks to achieving the physical limitations in joints). Then, as the cascade of events goes on, the tension goes up the body.
The downswing is just the releasing of the stored energy that happens also sequentially from the ground up automatically - because the sooner the physical limitation in a joint is being met it acts like a reverse direction spring (of course, it is an emphatical oversimplification) - hence the lower parts are already in the downswing phase while upper ones may still finish the backswing.

Cheers

Posted: Wed 15:49, 10 Aug 2011

Have you had a look at count yogi, i tried to use his takeaway action to hit the ball and I was surprised to see similar results. He a has dog pawing action that set the right hand and right elbow correctly. Can you tell me if you have the same feeling with this take away.

Regards,

Carl

Posted: Wed 19:45, 10 Aug 2011

cboudreau wrote:

Have you had a look at count yogi, i tried to use his takeaway action to hit the ball and I was surprised to see similar results. He a has dog pawing action that set the right hand and right elbow correctly. Can you tell me if you have the same feeling with this take away.

Regards,

Carl

Where can I see Count Yogi's swing, preferably in a slo-mo to verify his rear hand/arm action? I could only find this and have a hard time to recognize something special:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ4EWMzI_m0

Cheers

Posted: Wed 21:31, 10 Aug 2011

I saw the count do an exhibition when I was a kid. After his trick shot exhibition he played a round of golf with my father and a couple of members and wanted to take my dad with him on his tour and bill him as the longest hitter in golf. My dad could hit it a mile...my mom was not too excited about it...lol

If I understand your sequential motion post, all a golfer has to do is master the back swing and the rest is pretty automatic. If that is the case, I am pretty disgusted that I haven't found it in my 50 years of playing...the more info you have on what it should feel like at the top would be beneficial...

Posted: Wed 21:53, 10 Aug 2011

I'll even go a step further and risk to claim that the essence of gaining automatism (more or less partial, at least) lies in a proper setup. Yes, a setup-dependent swing action. All conscious thoughts should be used during setup routine in order to leave as less biophysical options as possible during the entire motion later on.
It sets the frames how backswing can be used to store and release the energy sequentially, starting from both the core to the most distal parts of the body and, finally, to the clubhead and the very ball.
It happens not coincidentally, that the only one possibility to ensure such undisturbed flow is from the ground up - a. because it is the only one connection with the ground and, therefore, the only one thing providing torques, and b. because the way to the most distal parts goes through upper sectors of the body (clavicles-shoulders-arms-club).

I do not like to use feelings as an aid when sharing them to others. The only one feel I want to share and I want to have is that whatever happens is an event in a cascade of events and that there is no option left. No conscious mind needed.

Cheers

Posted: Thu 3:32, 11 Aug 2011

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I have his dvd and cd but it is copyright.

Hope this help. He has no cocking at all on the top.

Carl

Posted: Thu 8:26, 11 Aug 2011

Thanks, Carl. He's got a very good swing motion...although it is difficult to describe it as a setup-dependent one...

Cheers

Posted: Thu 12:53, 11 Aug 2011

It was indeed.

Cordially,

Carl

Posted: Sun 15:43, 14 Aug 2011

So if I hear you right, the biokenetic set up is one of the main keys. Feet aligned closed to target, hips open to target, shoulders square to target...along with the bio grip....

Posted: Sun 17:28, 14 Aug 2011

Yes, plus rear leg joints preset, preferably during last (antithetic) waggle, then trigger compression to rock on the motion...Mr.Hogan's setup routine is the best I could find...
One should not forget also about pressure points of both feet and feel the ground with them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpJZbmSAGtM

Cheers

Posted: Mon 2:12, 15 Aug 2011

Greetings, here are some video's of me taken a month or so with my new camera. Sorry one is a little long but you can advance it to the swing. I would welcome any suggestions. I am 62 and I know my legs don't work as fast as they used to. I really don't feel much torque in my swing at all. I don't feel any resistance in my lower body against the upper body. I will say that years ago some of the best golf I ever played I created resistance with my lower body on the back swing and they hit a high draw. I would really like to find that feeling again. All my shots are pretty straight and i like the feeling of hitting a fade. Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. I will definitely try them...

http://youtu.be/Rxa97JLszlY

http://youtu.be/T14ts1NoXHE

http://youtu.be/vP7dRm92NnM

Posted: Tue 1:57, 16 Aug 2011

bguinnup,

Well, your swing is pretty good. Once you decide to make adjustments on your golf swing, you might never find back your "old swing". You have a sound mechanical swing and maybe it's best for you not to make any change. However, if you really want to feel torque again in your swing then biokinetic golf swing well explained by Dariusz is second to none.

Now, if I may, I would suggest the following exercise. Using a wedge, the biokinetic grip and setting up IAW the diagonal stance then:

a) ensure that you maintain firm thigh, pelvis, butts like if you were to sit like desbribed by Mr. Hogan;
b) Turn counterclock wise the entire "seat : hips+butts+pelvis" to push on the firm left side resulting first in a clockwise seat turn;
c) now starts the takeaway low and fast enough so that the "seat" respond counterclock wise to the inertia of the club - that's the key;
d) continue to raise the club until you find the limitation that forces a chance in direction, a straightening of the left leg followed by a butt squeeze, etc.

Hope it helps. For that exercise I think it is torque on the left followed by the right side. Torque the seat in reaction to the inertia of the club, kind of a 3D S done by the seat. GL

Posted: Tue 2:54, 16 Aug 2011

I read my post and I fear that it is misleading. To ensure a proper understanding please refer to this footage starting at around 1:42 until the end. It is the best way to explain my "seat" torquing in response to clubhead inertia from takeaway to top. The faster the takeaway the more torque I can generate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWLLPKiSMRk&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

when done correctly then a hand pivot will result automatically at directional change as shown at 1:25 in the footage.

Posted: Tue 17:04, 16 Aug 2011

Bob,
I second Carl's advices. Your swing, which is very good (FO impact release position is the best I have seen lately - classic old push release that Henry Cotton would love) needs a trigger to make it more fluent and dynamic simultaneously. Try to find a good trigger compression phase for you (either Snead-like, or Hogan-like or Boros-like) while experimenting with every possibility.
Another thing I'd put the squeeze on is the stance. You probably belong to the category of golfers with a smaller overall RoM in ankle and knee joints (opposite to your hip joints that work very good looking DTL) which means you should benefit from both:
- flaring your lead foot a bit more without hesitating to roll it in and lift approaching backswing;
- presetting your rear leg joint a'la Hogan that would enhance a more pronounced linear shift before transition more as a reaction for the torque than a deliberate action. I would suggest to you to have a look at these three sections in a free time:

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Cheers