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Michael Schröder
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PostPosted: Tue 8:04, 29 May 2012 Back to top

I need some help with my somehow good swing. I am a right handed lefty and therefore my hitting action with the left is a little weak and I try to compensate this with the other hand/shoulder.
Hard critics say, that I have a flat backswing ("flatter is better than higher" said Hogan), so my down swing is more upright than the backswing because I force the shaft due to body contraction through hip action on this steeper plane (in to out loop?).
I could swing more upright on the backswing and try to get the clubhead on a flatter plane, but than I have the problem that my arms loose contact with the trunk or I come to flat into the ball or top it.

Shall I stay with my relatively good swing or try further changes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_FeJPb1aP0

There are older videos on YT as well. The swing with a palmar grip was made to demonstrate a long/strait but faulty swing. I got this problems during winter and learnded a lot while trying to prevent this grip on top of the backswing.


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PostPosted: Tue 20:44, 29 May 2012 Back to top

Michael,

Please watch carefully the images I have prepared for you and my proposal is to discuss each of them independently one by one. Please start with your remarks and eventual questions with the first one.

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Michael Schröder
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PostPosted: Wed 9:36, 30 May 2012 Back to top

Dear Dariusz,

yes I don´t like it, that my feet turn off the ground, even if some prominent players do so. My injured left knee brought me into trouble but it is getting better. I hope it is getting better with my swing too.

I also lift my head during second half of backswing, something I do not like either, but I come back to good position. Shall I shorten the backswing, becuse he is also guilty for coming into a plane too upright. Shall I swing faster for more lag?

I try to throw my hips a little more and with this to stay more behind the ball but open the coronal area. And the preset and the waggle is on the right way? This are my first swings after your advice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR6SycwTznQ&feature=youtu.be



Getting better

Michael


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PostPosted: Wed 10:08, 30 May 2012 Back to top

Michael Schröder wrote:
Dear Dariusz,

yes I don´t like it, that my feet turn off the ground, even if some prominent players do so. My injured left knee brought me into trouble but it is getting better. I hope it is getting better with my swing too.


Yep, it's a enhancing power and remaining in balance subconscious issue. Not good for knee -- vide Woods. All best ballstrikers kept their lead heel on the ground after transition (if they lift it they do during the backswing nearing the top -- thanks to passive and inertial lead side they maximized body rotation without any danger of going out of synch).


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I also lift my head during second half of backswing, something I do not like either, but I come back to good position. Shall I shorten the backswing, becuse he is also guilty for coming into a plane too upright. Shall I swing faster for more lag?


Yes, maybe a bit. But the main issue of a too long backswing is similar to my son's one. Too resistant lead side during the backswing. More about plane could be said when watching DTL view.


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I try to throw my hips a little more and with this to stay more behind the ball but open the coronal area. And the preset and the waggle is on the right way? This are my first swings after your advice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR6SycwTznQ&feature=youtu.be


You're a very quick learner, Michael. Look how huge is already the difference. Keep up with it !

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PostPosted: Wed 10:36, 30 May 2012 Back to top

Dear Dariusz,

I tried the same with a % wood, without balls! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ro8wSPepE0&feature=youtu.be

I it the right direction?


Thanks for the look

Michael
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PostPosted: Wed 12:38, 30 May 2012 Back to top

Michael Schröder wrote:
Dear Dariusz,

I tried the same with a % wood, without balls! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ro8wSPepE0&feature=youtu.be

I it the right direction?


Thanks for the look

Michael


YES, SIR !!!

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PostPosted: Fri 17:14, 01 Jun 2012 Back to top

Dear Dariusz,

I have learned to use the rear side in backswing, but my waggle is different! My waggle brings the club forward with the rear knee and then I take it back. It works with the irons and somehow with the woods. But a 5 wood goes only 180 Meter with a lie like a 9 iron. But there are no divots, no hacking. And id does not matter if from the tee or fairway.

May be that is why I have no hand action during waggle and thats why I hit it high? Anyway I try your waggle and adapt it, it just takes some training.

Dariusz, why not talk about waggeling at all! In times, where waggeling is unusual one should ask for all kinds of waggeling, something like a general theory of waggeling, that would be usefull for everyone, because even if I come in the line to waggle like Gary Player, holding hands back and using rear body and knee only, is great anyway. (Through his waggle, Gary Player sets himself in adressposition like Hogan, is that true?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJMIvLpkdkk

I will show you my waggle and swing with real shots on the DR, hopefully soon!


Thanks so much

Michael


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PostPosted: Fri 19:05, 01 Jun 2012 Back to top

Dariusz,

shall I bring this swing to the DR tomorrow. My downswing seems to be better and my hip and belly works harder. the sound is really agressiv.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9VigYBlSEg

Thanks for the look

Michael
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PostPosted: Fri 19:34, 01 Jun 2012 Back to top

Michael,
Waggle is a matter of individual preference provided it helps to achieve its goal, i.e. not only relaxing muscles but first of all preparing the automatism of the start of the swing. Not only Mr.Players motion but also his setup routine as well as trigger compression phase is very hoganesque and makes his swing look heavily setup-dependent.
You can make no mistake in using elements of Player's action, mate.

The swing looks very good. Flattening the plane certainly helps in finding more consistent action. Although your feet are not visible it can be seen with bare eyes how much better is your lower body action. Keep at it and crush it on the course. I am sure you'll be pleasantly surprised, although do not forget that each swing change brings some initial problems. Stick yto your route, mate. You're going the RIGHT direction.

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PostPosted: Tue 20:51, 05 Jun 2012 Back to top

Dear Dariusz,
I worked on my rear shoulder. I kept the shoulder too much back, but I have to place her more in ftont, slidely open to get a good and flat downswing plane. My feet also stay on the ground, so that I am very happy with my new swing.

Good changes are a real step foreward.


Michael
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PostPosted: Tue 21:44, 05 Jun 2012 Back to top

We're happy with you, my friend.

That's why I always say -- start looking at the big picture of the motion first. Otherwise is just a mixture of compensations going one after another.
The motion should be as subconscious-friendly and as automatic as possible. This is the most important at start of building the base.

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