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PostPosted: Sat 14:54, 18 Oct 2014 Back to top

So now Hogans true secret is revealed... It's a sad one though. But at least now you know. The better of a ball striker you become the more your hands turn to stone. Slowly diminishing your putting to a shaky stab
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PostPosted: Sat 17:53, 18 Oct 2014 Back to top

Golfingmaster1 wrote:
What has happened is that we have seen our modern day pros like tiger and Rory striving to achieve the positions that the (illustration) or the picture of hogan is in on the front of his book five lessons. The problem is with the technology that has developed players can match swing angles/ sequence perfectly. The issue is, the artist that drew the picture on the front of the book knew that angled lines sell better that straight lines so he drew the picture and made it look like hogan look like his head was 10 more degrees behind the ball than it actually was. Therefore you get Rory mcilroy. If you look at the RSSSSA the scale for grading the most high level golfers, you will see that like rory mcilroy, ben hogan scores sufficiently lower that your top level pros of all time. The reason for this? If you were going to launch a rocket in to space and everything started from the ground up the firing sequence would be a success. If the sequence fired out of order then the rocket would implode and then explode. If you watch hogan he begins his downswing with a literal bump of the left hip, therefore opening his club at impact. Why you say? Because hogan was a major hooker of the ball. So your answers lie within. Most of hogans secrets won't work I unless you are a major hooker first. And the picture of impact everyone has been trying to imitate is a fake illustration and way off of what hogan really looked like at impact.


I cannot disagree. It's a good post here. However, it hardly relates to the fact that merging strongish LH with weakish RH is the soundest scenario from both anatomical and kinetical point. It has nothing to do with hooking and, further, "de-hooking" -- no matter if such a story (to let someone be a hooker and amend it later) can be regarded as the best one.
Someone wise sais that there is a great way to a great golf from slicing through hooking.
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PostPosted: Sat 17:57, 18 Oct 2014 Back to top

Golfingmaster1 wrote:
You also DO NOT want to try to grip the club so hard that you are not allowing centrifugal force to straighten out your arms and club shaft at impact. While this will improve your ball striking. Historically every great golfer who has done this has seen there career ended by the yips. Ben hogan, sam sneed, lee travino are just a few. Sergio garcia is next


Who says the grip should be that hard ?
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PostPosted: Sat 17:58, 18 Oct 2014 Back to top

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So now Hogans true secret is revealed... It's a sad one though. But at least now you know. The better of a ball striker you become the more your hands turn to stone. Slowly diminishing your putting to a shaky stab


Well, that's why putting is usually being hated by great ballstrikers. Hogan, Knudson, Moe, to name a few.
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PostPosted: Mon 2:06, 20 Oct 2014 Back to top

Thank you for creating and welcoming me to boikeneticgolfswingforum it is a great place to discuss high level golf. The major problems with the interlace grip are 1 the pressure points are not correct! When your index finger on glove hand is not on the club and you are interlacing it have you ever noticed to say hit your 7 iron per say 180 you will literally have to rip your pinky off because it is resisting non glove hand from turning over. Secondly, it promotes a false pure impact. By moving your hands farther infront of the ball you are copying the fake image of hogan. contrary to what Has been taught by the modern day garbage that is ruining players every day such as tiger woods and many many more. You DO not want to copy the fake hogan it causes disaster and destroys your body, and ruins the tendons in your wrists ultimately ruining your puttinng from the yipper doodle doos. Like hogan and Knudson. However, moe norman did not get the yips he just did not learn to putt untill his later age because he hit it to 3 feet every time. Before he died he said that he was a better putter than ball striker. Imagine if he felt like learning to putt younger hahaha. He would never ever get the yips because with his one plane swing he is never fighting centrifugal force like we do with our much less efficient 2 plane swings. He also had that special baseball grip too which he called the perfect gip.
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PostPosted: Mon 2:09, 20 Oct 2014 Back to top

The interlace is for the very very very few that actually want less. They want less distance, range of motion, and workability of the ball.
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PostPosted: Mon 12:14, 20 Oct 2014 Back to top

Golfingmaster1 wrote:
Thank you for creating and welcoming me to boikeneticgolfswingforum it is a great place to discuss high level golf.


You're very welcome. There is always a respected place for knowledgeable people here.


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The major problems with the interlace grip are 1 the pressure points are not correct! When your index finger on glove hand is not on the club and you are interlacing it have you ever noticed to say hit your 7 iron per say 180 you will literally have to rip your pinky off because it is resisting non glove hand from turning over. Secondly, it promotes a false pure impact. By moving your hands farther infront of the ball you are copying the fake image of hogan. contrary to what Has been taught by the modern day garbage that is ruining players every day such as tiger woods and many many more. You DO not want to copy the fake hogan it causes disaster and destroys your body, and ruins the tendons in your wrists ultimately ruining your puttinng from the yipper doodle doos.



Could you be so kind and explain why do you think that pressure points are not correct as well as why do you think the LH index finger is off the grip, etc. ? Let's discuss it step by step, perhaps either we are not on the same page or maybe I have overlooked something.


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However, moe norman did not get the yips he just did not learn to putt untill his later age because he hit it to 3 feet every time. Before he died he said that he was a better putter than ball striker. Imagine if he felt like learning to putt younger hahaha. He would never ever get the yips because with his one plane swing he is never fighting centrifugal force like we do with our much less efficient 2 plane swings. He also had that special baseball grip too which he called the perfect gip.


Interesting info about Norman. Never heard it before. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Mon 14:41, 20 Oct 2014 Back to top

Well we could probably go on forever about which one is better but I personally started early on with the interlace and then switched to the pure vardon seeing my game improve from a ten handicap to a plus 3. Historically the purest way to grip the club in your left hand at your left hand side then adding your right hand before you dance step in to alignment position in the pre shot routine. When you use the interlaced grip your glove hand index finger is not wrapped around the gip of the club it is in between the ring finger and the pinky finger on non glove hand. So try to take the golf club in your left hand and swing it, take your index finger off the club as it would be if you were going to interlace it with non glove hand pinky. By losing the proper fulcrum point you are moving the pressure point in your hand from down in the fingers (trigger finger) to more towards the palm. Reducing range of motion. Now grip the golf club in your left hand with your entire left hand. You will have more control and speed. It will also feel much more natural as you are not fighting what your body naturally wants to do. It does not matter if it is an ax, sword, or golf club. Once you learn how to use a tool and deliever the blow the general anatomical principals apply. The club is my sword
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PostPosted: Mon 17:39, 20 Oct 2014 Back to top

Ok, starting to understand your point of view.
However, the lead hand index finger in the grip we endorse (Bio-K) lies on the club grip !
Please look at the photos in this thread:

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The stronger the LH is the more tight the index finger's pressure is. Moreover, the merging of the rear hand to the lead one by means of the RH pinky finger is via hooking it on the LH index finger joint, thus, not separating it from the rest of the fingers. Small gap is due to the fact that index fionger is not in line with other fingers for evolution reasons, so to speak.
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